Another greedy gentlemen

It’s no (longer) a secret to anyone that DomainLore does it’s best to detect and expose shill bidders attempting for good, but instead encountering their bad luck on this platform. No other auction platform (like S*** (no, it’s not S-word, so I better spell it, it’s Sedo!) or eBay) cares so much about integrity of it’s sales and true identities of their bidders tracing all their hidden (and not so much) links to the seller. Yes, it’s a S.E.C job for domain name sales I am doing here :))

Even though it is strongly advised to every new bidder before he or she can join the auction and get her hands dirty that it is an illegal, criminal offence to bid in the auctions of any related person (friend, employee, hairdresser ..etc..etc.), still some people are so dumb, bold and arrogant that they believe it won’t hurt to try, when there are money on the table..

Well, it will hurt. Whenever one decides to deceive and commit fraudulent acts against it’s prospective clients instead of carrying with the trade in a law-abiding and ethical way, that stuff is going to bring a tangible damage to the person’s karma.

In 35 years, Mr John Orr of, now being liquidated Variety Retail Limited, doesn’t seem to have learned that deceiving people for money isn’t a honourable thing to do. So to propel his variety.co.uk auction price, his greed didn’t let him think too deeply before asking his company secretary, an employee Ms Keri Anglin, to conspire with him in an attempt to defraud DomainLore buyers.

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Bidding from an adjacent to the Mr Orr IP block in Sunderland, Tyne And Wear, the lady, being blissfully ignorant of the matter (I won’t say too stupid), has signed with her real name and seemingly enjoyed being in a bidding war with her genuine opponents.

Unfortunately for them, the auction ended with them coming as a highest bidder. Unfortunately for them too, DomainLore reviews all meaningful auctions for shill-bidding patterns and is able to catch offenders most of the time before, often during and sometimes shortly after their act was brilliantly or stupidly executed.

Too bad, what could have been a fair sale for John, turned into a public name and shame by his own adherently greedy choice.

Next one for the fraudster list

Welcome – Colin Smith from Norwich, aka Lazarus (mail at colinsmith.eu), busted by trying to place a shill bid for his ‘Hidden Gems’ auction cheapesthoteldeals.co.uk; his other invaders.co.uk auction was also cancelled as a result.

By the will of this shill bidder, who decided not to hide shamefully but instead vigorously dispute his guilt by continuing to lie and ignoring my warnings of public exposure – here it comes then.

What the crook had to say about it:

You have the wrong end and a very big stick. I never shill bidded and I would like to see your logs for this. A friend of mine was round that had some domains and I was actually bigging up your site to him. He created an account He did NOT bid on my auction….

I know shill bidding is wrong and I would never do this. Your site locked his account as soon as he logged in and later I found out that it had locked mine too…

No where on your site does it say this would happen if two users use the same computer and or it is disallowed by your site. If I wanted to bid on my own auction don’t you think I would use a different computer with a different connection.

What was actually happening:

The fake bidding account was suspended as soon as this ‘friend’ of Colin Smith has tried to place a bid on his auction. That is how the early prevention technique works. It doesn’t immediately suspend accounts which appear to be linked but instead allows fraudsters to attempt to commit a crime, then stops it before it succeeds. Colin Smith continues to lie that he has not placed a bid and demands logs to probably get a better idea if he has really failed hard or whether there could be another way to come up with a good excuse:

I will tell you again… The account locked as soon as he logged in. Again – Send me these logs please….

You help sign up your friend with a disposable e-mail address at ‘mailcatch.com’ using US proxy, then you attempt to bid under his account using a proxy server in Kazakhstan.. That’s a nice signing up and guiding lesson you were providing for your friend!

Listen a second account was created yes. But a bid was never placed. You can only list three listings ? We had more… I was setting him up to list more for me. My I remind you that a bid was never placed so Don’t go giving me the legal crap.

Beware this person as he doesn’t seem to have any integrity even if caught red handed. As his account was terminated and according to T&Cs of the service, all auctions were cancelled, he is now disputing his Paypal listings fees to be refunded, as the product provided was “not a described”. I feel sorry for this idiot as Paypal has been very supportive in similar situations in the past and they take this matter seriously – even up to terminating shill bidders Paypal accounts. Yes, they must be very determined to fight shill bidders too, as I am sure they have much more troubles with this nuisance on eBay.

For the next person who wants to join the fraudsters hall of fame list and attempts to defraud fellow domainers and their buyers: Domainlore has a state of the art early shill bidding detection and prevention system. Stop committing crimes and forever damaging your reputation in the domain trading community.